Can't work on AC in the rain?!?!

[Telehow]

I have 2 Trane units that are not working right. Called the local
Trane high end dealer about a week ago and made an appointment. I
work about an hour away from home so took the day off today to meet
them. Got a call from them this morning saying they could not come
today due to the cool/rainy conditions. Huh?! It has been 80 degrees
the last few days and did turn to drizzle and 40/50 degrees today
but...

Is it true you can't work on a heat pump when it is a little
rainy?!?!
Should I find another dealer?

[Noon-Air]

Post by Telehow
I have 2 Trane units that are not working right. Called the local
Trane high end dealer about a week ago and made an appointment. I
work about an hour away from home so took the day off today to meet
them. Got a call from them this morning saying they could not come
today due to the cool/rainy conditions. Huh?! It has been 80 degrees
the last few days and did turn to drizzle and 40/50 degrees today
but...
Is it true you can't work on a heat pump when it is a little
rainy?!?!
Should I find another dealer?

You should use a little common sense.... Do you want to be sticking your
hands in a place where there is LIVE 240 VOLTS when your standing on wet
ground in the rain??
The 40/50 degrees is not an issue for a heat pump, but it is for straight
air conditioning unless it has head pressure controls added to it (usually
on commercial equipment)and if there is enough heat load in the conditioned
spaces.

[k***@ usenet.com]

Post by Telehow
I have 2 Trane units that are not working right. Called the local
Trane high end dealer about a week ago and made an appointment. I
work about an hour away from home so took the day off today to meet
them. Got a call from them this morning saying they could not come
today due to the cool/rainy conditions. Huh?! It has been 80 degrees
the last few days and did turn to drizzle and 40/50 degrees today
but...
Is it true you can't work on a heat pump when it is a little
rainy?!?!
Should I find another dealer?

Sorry, I don't work in the rain either... unless, it's an emergency.

The real question would be, does he needs to open up the sealed system?
As equipment manufactures of R410 systems don't recommend it, during rainy
or extremely high humidity conditions.

[Telehow]

I appreciate the comments. "Common sense" would tell me that anyone
who works with live 240 in any condition isn't too smart. Isn't that
one use of breakers and VOM's?

Anway - good to know there may be reasons they can't do it. My
suspicion though is that one big reason is that it is Friday. It is
only drizzling on and off. Both air handlers that need to be cleaned
are indoors (attic and crawl space) of course.

I guess their decision was whether or not to send all the workers home
if there isn't enough billable work.

It is unknown if they would need to open any units.

Post by k***@ usenet.com

Post by Telehow
I have 2 Trane units that are not working right. Called the local
Trane high end dealer about a week ago and made an appointment. I
work about an hour away from home so took the day off today to meet
them. Got a call from them this morning saying they could not come
today due to the cool/rainy conditions. Huh?! It has been 80 degrees
the last few days and did turn to drizzle and 40/50 degrees today
but...
Is it true you can't work on a heat pump when it is a little
rainy?!?!
Should I find another dealer?

Sorry, I don't work in the rain either... unless, it's an emergency.
The real question would be, does he needs to open up the sealed system?
As equipment manufactures of R410 systems don't recommend it, during rainy
or extremely high humidity conditions.

[Noon-Air]

Post by Telehow
I appreciate the comments. "Common sense" would tell me that anyone
who works with live 240 in any condition isn't too smart. Isn't that
one use of breakers and VOM's?
Anway - good to know there may be reasons they can't do it. My
suspicion though is that one big reason is that it is Friday. It is
only drizzling on and off. Both air handlers that need to be cleaned
are indoors (attic and crawl space) of course.
I guess their decision was whether or not to send all the workers home
if there isn't enough billable work.
It is unknown if they would need to open any units.

Its unknown if the mechanic has to open the hood on my car to work on the
engine.

[Telehow]

Noon-air

Are you a jerk by choice? Jeez.

Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe you have the ability to sit around
on a Friday and diagnose problems by telepathy and think of sarcastic
answers. Maybe you just do it for fun. Maybe you have nothing else
to do. Either way - I'm not going to waste any more of my time
responding to you.

Obviously I was giving the contractor the benefit of the doubt. I
took their answer and decided to try and find out for myself if it was
reasonable. I don't work on HVAC systems - hence my original
question. I never threw them under the bus or said anything negative
about them.

If you are in the HVAC business, which it seems you are based on your
comments, have you had issues with your customers on rainy days? If
you have I guess I could understand your provoking remarks. If not I
guess you may just have self respect issues with trying to make others
look less smart so you will feel more smart.

Regardless you must understand that in an open forum with typed
messages it is often hard to gauge the "feeling" of posts. That is
why you must use "common sense" and read your own responses to
understand whether your post will be construed as funny, informative,
obnoxious, sarcastic, etc.

Anyway - I hope your day gets better.

Post by Noon-Air

Post by Telehow
I appreciate the comments. "Common sense" would tell me that anyone
who works with live 240 in any condition isn't too smart. Isn't that
one use of breakers and VOM's?
Anway - good to know there may be reasons they can't do it. My
suspicion though is that one big reason is that it is Friday. It is
only drizzling on and off. Both air handlers that need to be cleaned
are indoors (attic and crawl space) of course.
I guess their decision was whether or not to send all the workers home
if there isn't enough billable work.
It is unknown if they would need to open any units.

Its unknown if the mechanic has to open the hood on my car to work on the
engine.

[Noon-Air]

Post by Telehow
Noon-air
Are you a jerk by choice? Jeez.
Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe you have the ability to sit around
on a Friday and diagnose problems by telepathy and think of sarcastic
answers. Maybe you just do it for fun. Maybe you have nothing else
to do. Either way - I'm not going to waste any more of my time
responding to you.
Obviously I was giving the contractor the benefit of the doubt. I
took their answer and decided to try and find out for myself if it was
reasonable. I don't work on HVAC systems - hence my original
question. I never threw them under the bus or said anything negative
about them.

If your were giving the contractor the benifit of the doubt, then why are
you posting here??

Post by Telehow
If you are in the HVAC business, which it seems you are based on your
comments, have you had issues with your customers on rainy days? If
you have I guess I could understand your provoking remarks. If not I
guess you may just have self respect issues with trying to make others
look less smart so you will feel more smart.

Actually, we have been having rain here, and today is too cold to do
anything except for heat pumps and gas furnaces.
As far as my time spent on here this morning, I am waiting on the delivery
truck with a replacement coil for another customer.

Post by Telehow
Regardless you must understand that in an open forum with typed
messages it is often hard to gauge the "feeling" of posts. That is
why you must use "common sense" and read your own responses to
understand whether your post will be construed as funny, informative,
obnoxious, sarcastic, etc.

When you ask somebody a stoopid question, you gotta expect a like answer. I
can't see what you got or where you are. You would have gotten just as much
with as little information had you called a random number out of the phone
book.

Post by Telehow
Anyway - I hope your day gets better.

My day was going just fine until you go trying to second guess your
contractor and make it sound like he/she is a slacker. If you had a problem
with it, maybe you should have asked them???

[k***@ usenet.com]

Post by Telehow
I appreciate the comments. "Common sense" would tell me that anyone
who works with live 240 in any condition isn't too smart. Isn't that
one use of breakers and VOM's?
Anway - good to know there may be reasons they can't do it. My
suspicion though is that one big reason is that it is Friday. It is
only drizzling on and off. Both air handlers that need to be cleaned
are indoors (attic and crawl space) of course.
I guess their decision was whether or not to send all the workers home
if there isn't enough billable work.
It is unknown if they would need to open any units.

It could be that they are actually looking out for you best interest.

That said, one trip, one complete service, saves you money.

Since the indoor units need cleaned, the outside units probably need cleaned
to... no one likes to work in the rain and risk getting sick or hurt. It's
just not worth it.

[Telehow]

***@usenet

Good point and you are right. Thanks for the comments. Evidently I
came across a sticky subject somehow. I was just trying to understand
the rationale for not working in the rain. While I agree with all
your comments I still can't help but feel, in my opinion, they could
have still cleaned the inside units, diagnosed what they could etc.
Their office is 3 minutes from my house. I'm sure the guys working
there have a need for a full paycheck. Maybe they should have given a
choice.. pay more for 2 trips or wait.

Anyway, thanks for the comments and for your time.

Post by k***@ usenet.com

Post by Telehow
I appreciate the comments. "Common sense" would tell me that anyone
who works with live 240 in any condition isn't too smart. Isn't that
one use of breakers and VOM's?
Anway - good to know there may be reasons they can't do it. My
suspicion though is that one big reason is that it is Friday. It is
only drizzling on and off. Both air handlers that need to be cleaned
are indoors (attic and crawl space) of course.
I guess their decision was whether or not to send all the workers home
if there isn't enough billable work.
It is unknown if they would need to open any units.

It could be that they are actually looking out for you best interest.
That said, one trip, one complete service, saves you money.
Since the indoor units need cleaned, the outside units probably need cleaned
to... no one likes to work in the rain and risk getting sick or hurt. It's
just not worth it.

[k***@ usenet.com]

Post by Telehow
Good point and you are right. Thanks for the comments. Evidently I
came across a sticky subject somehow. I was just trying to understand
the rationale for not working in the rain. While I agree with all
your comments I still can't help but feel, in my opinion, they could
have still cleaned the inside units, diagnosed what they could etc.
Their office is 3 minutes from my house. I'm sure the guys working
there have a need for a full paycheck. Maybe they should have given a
choice.. pay more for 2 trips or wait.

They wouldn't have likely ask that... I don't know ANY client that would
like to pay more for two trips.
(and I don't care if it's 2 miles from your house... that doesn't make up
for a lot of extra wasted time)

Post by Telehow
Anyway, thanks for the comments and for your time.

Post by k***@ usenet.com

Post by Telehow
I appreciate the comments. "Common sense" would tell me that anyone
who works with live 240 in any condition isn't too smart. Isn't that
one use of breakers and VOM's?
Anway - good to know there may be reasons they can't do it. My
suspicion though is that one big reason is that it is Friday. It is
only drizzling on and off. Both air handlers that need to be cleaned
are indoors (attic and crawl space) of course.
I guess their decision was whether or not to send all the workers home
if there isn't enough billable work.
It is unknown if they would need to open any units.

It could be that they are actually looking out for you best interest.
That said, one trip, one complete service, saves you money.
Since the indoor units need cleaned, the outside units probably need cleaned
to... no one likes to work in the rain and risk getting sick or hurt. It's
just not worth it.

[Bubba]

How freakin stupid are you? Grab your tools and go play in the rain
and see how much fun it is. You'll also notice a bit of rust on your
tools a couple hours after you finish. Tools are expensive. I guess
you're going to pay for them?
Not open anything on your units to service them? What kind of clowns
are you hiring to work on your shit.
Im going to set you up for the dumbest post of the month.
Bubba

Post by Telehow
Good point and you are right. Thanks for the comments. Evidently I
came across a sticky subject somehow. I was just trying to understand
the rationale for not working in the rain. While I agree with all
your comments I still can't help but feel, in my opinion, they could
have still cleaned the inside units, diagnosed what they could etc.
Their office is 3 minutes from my house. I'm sure the guys working
there have a need for a full paycheck. Maybe they should have given a
choice.. pay more for 2 trips or wait.
Anyway, thanks for the comments and for your time.

Post by k***@ usenet.com

Post by Telehow
I appreciate the comments. "Common sense" would tell me that anyone
who works with live 240 in any condition isn't too smart. Isn't that
one use of breakers and VOM's?
Anway - good to know there may be reasons they can't do it. My
suspicion though is that one big reason is that it is Friday. It is
only drizzling on and off. Both air handlers that need to be cleaned
are indoors (attic and crawl space) of course.
I guess their decision was whether or not to send all the workers home
if there isn't enough billable work.
It is unknown if they would need to open any units.

It could be that they are actually looking out for you best interest.
That said, one trip, one complete service, saves you money.
Since the indoor units need cleaned, the outside units probably need cleaned
to... no one likes to work in the rain and risk getting sick or hurt. It's
just not worth it.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Post by k***@ usenet.com
no one likes to work in the rain and risk getting sick or hurt. It's
just not worth it.

Where I live, and with having that attitude then you'd only find work maybe
3 mo outa the year.

--

[Jake]

Post by Jeffrey Lebowski

Post by k***@ usenet.com
no one likes to work in the rain and risk getting sick or hurt. It's
just not worth it.

Where I live, and with having that attitude then you'd only find work maybe
3 mo outa the year.
--

Funny story... OT to the post but in the same genre.....

I have a customer that has a 6.5 megawatt induction furnace for melting
steel.

Two nights ago, during a furious rainstorm, a part of their roof failed
that happened to be directly above the power unit for this furnace.

The roof is less than 10 years old and developed a serious leak around a
exhaust fan. The roof drains were plugged.

Anyhow... the power unit for an induction furnace this big is
essentially a huge 'variable frequency drive'. Its capacitor bank is 16
feet long and 8 feet wide. The inverter section is another 8 feet long,
has 24 platter size SCR's in it, and various control components.

I got a call-out that the Inverter buss was alarming on the - (minus)
side. That's all they told me. When I get there.... a steady stream of
water is cascading from the roof onto the power unit... directly above
the inverter section. No-one had turned the power off. The operator told
me he tried to 'reset' the unit multiple times but "it just went BOOM
BOOM BOOM... like a shot gun".

I immediately opened the breakers, L/O'd the unit and told them to fix
the roof before I could do anything. They had to 'dump' the furnace and
get rid of 20 tons of steel at 2520 degrees. That was a spectacle in itself.

The first call was around midnight. It was 6 in the morning before the
roof was fixed, the water stopped falling, the furnace 'dumped' and we
had dried things out a bit.

Our crew of 7 worked 18 hours on this project. Every SCR assembly had to
be dismantled and dried. 11 SCR's at $1,200 a piece had to be replaced.
Two tank capacitors.. big fellas... water-cooled jobs.. were blown to
bits... $6k there.

The entire bill was $87,260. Because no-one turned the power off when
electrical components are exposed to water.

Water and electricity don't mix. To the OP, be glad your contractor
wouldn't come out. They were protecting you and your equipment.

Jake

[Stormin Mormon]

I'm remembering a job I had a couple years ago. The upper middle
class lady noticed the AC wasn't blowing. She came downstairs and
found the breaker for the furnace off. Single pole, 15 amp. She
reset it, repeatedly, until the breaker stayed on.

What happened was the fan blower motor shorted. Five year old
furnace, a Bryant. Every time she turned the breaker back on, it
shorted through the motor. Finally a couple relays on the circuit
board vaporized, and that needed to be replaced, also.

I don't remember the numbers, but the parts really added up. Plus
the house call and three hours of labor.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

"Jake" <***@verizon.net> wrote in message news:WPGKh.33$***@trndny03...
:
: Funny story... OT to the post but in the same genre.....
:
: I have a customer that has a 6.5 megawatt induction furnace for
melting
: steel.
:
: Two nights ago, during a furious rainstorm, a part of their
roof failed
: that happened to be directly above the power unit for this
furnace.
:
: The roof is less than 10 years old and developed a serious leak
around a
: exhaust fan. The roof drains were plugged.
:
: Anyhow... the power unit for an induction furnace this big is
: essentially a huge 'variable frequency drive'. Its capacitor
bank is 16
: feet long and 8 feet wide. The inverter section is another 8
feet long,
: has 24 platter size SCR's in it, and various control
components.
:
: I got a call-out that the Inverter buss was alarming on the -
(minus)
: side. That's all they told me. When I get there.... a steady
stream of
: water is cascading from the roof onto the power unit...
directly above
: the inverter section. No-one had turned the power off. The
operator told
: me he tried to 'reset' the unit multiple times but "it just
went BOOM
: BOOM BOOM... like a shot gun".
:
: I immediately opened the breakers, L/O'd the unit and told them
to fix
: the roof before I could do anything. They had to 'dump' the
furnace and
: get rid of 20 tons of steel at 2520 degrees. That was a
spectacle in itself.
:
: The first call was around midnight. It was 6 in the morning
before the
: roof was fixed, the water stopped falling, the furnace 'dumped'
and we
: had dried things out a bit.
:
: Our crew of 7 worked 18 hours on this project. Every SCR
assembly had to
: be dismantled and dried. 11 SCR's at $1,200 a piece had to be
replaced.
: Two tank capacitors.. big fellas... water-cooled jobs.. were
blown to
: bits... $6k there.
:
: The entire bill was $87,260. Because no-one turned the power
off when
: electrical components are exposed to water.
:
: Water and electricity don't mix. To the OP, be glad your
contractor
: wouldn't come out. They were protecting you and your equipment.
:
: Jake

[Don Ocean]

Post by Jeffrey Lebowski

Post by k***@ usenet.com
no one likes to work in the rain and risk getting sick or hurt. It's
just not worth it.

Where I live, and with having that attitude then you'd only find work maybe
3 mo outa the year.

Where I live.. The hourly rate of working in inclinate weather
would make it worth my while to only work 3 months out of the year.
We have lineman making well into the 6 figures per annum due to ice and
snow damage. We lost over 700 miles of line in just our Black Hills
this last storm. And the lads worked right through it all. Browns Valley
Minnesota has folks working around the clock right now for the flooding.

Post by Jeffrey Lebowski
--

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Post by Don Ocean

Post by Jeffrey Lebowski

Post by k***@ usenet.com
no one likes to work in the rain and risk getting sick or hurt. It's
just not worth it.

Where I live, and with having that attitude then you'd only find work maybe
3 mo outa the year.

Where I live.. The hourly rate of working in inclinate weather
would make it worth my while to only work 3 months out of the year.
We have lineman making well into the 6 figures per annum due to ice and
snow damage. We lost over 700 miles of line in just our Black Hills
this last storm. And the lads worked right through it all. Browns Valley
Minnesota has folks working around the clock right now for the flooding.

Little tents and shit...fairly common around here.

As to the HV linework, check into the conductivity of rainwater some
time--it's actually pretty darned small unless there's organics or minerals
gotten involved.

Rooftop, wet grass, aluminum ladder, etc--gotta admit all bets are also off
so far as me gettin all fuycking excited about doing live electrical repairs
too.

--

[ftwhd]

Post by Telehow
I have 2 Trane units that are not working right. Called the local
Trane high end dealer about a week ago and made an appointment. I
work about an hour away from home so took the day off today to meet
them. Got a call from them this morning saying they could not come
today due to the cool/rainy conditions. Huh?! It has been 80 degrees
the last few days and did turn to drizzle and 40/50 degrees today
but...
Is it true you can't work on a heat pump when it is a little
rainy?!?!
Should I find another dealer?

We dont work in those conditions. Try a plumber.

[r.bartlett]

Post by ftwhd

Post by Telehow
I have 2 Trane units that are not working right. Called the local
Trane high end dealer about a week ago and made an appointment. I
work about an hour away from home so took the day off today to meet
them. Got a call from them this morning saying they could not come
today due to the cool/rainy conditions. Huh?! It has been 80 degrees
the last few days and did turn to drizzle and 40/50 degrees today
but...
Is it true you can't work on a heat pump when it is a little
rainy?!?!
Should I find another dealer?

We dont work in those conditions. Try a plumber.

We got a call from a health and safety consultants who wanted their a/c
serviced. It was booked in and a special access lifter was ordered. On the
morning it was raining heavily so I took the decision to cancel the lifter.
I phoned the company and was told that I should work out in ANY weather and
they thought we were very unprofessional. I commented that it was a H&S
matter as the equipment was 3 phase 415v and potentially dangerous to both
us and her equipment.I also asked if she was prepared to over her desk
outside during this time?

We never heard from them again...

Cheers

Richard

[Telehow]

I must say - this is one of the best, most exciting, active usenet
boards I have ever participated in. You guys are great.

Post by r.bartlett

Post by ftwhd

Post by Telehow
I have 2 Trane units that are not working right. Called the local
Trane high end dealer about a week ago and made an appointment. I
work about an hour away from home so took the day off today to meet
them. Got a call from them this morning saying they could not come
today due to the cool/rainy conditions. Huh?! It has been 80 degrees
the last few days and did turn to drizzle and 40/50 degrees today
but...
Is it true you can't work on a heat pump when it is a little
rainy?!?!
Should I find another dealer?

We dont work in those conditions. Try a plumber.

We got a call from a health and safety consultants who wanted their a/c
serviced. It was booked in and a special access lifter was ordered. On the
morning it was raining heavily so I took the decision to cancel the lifter.
I phoned the company and was told that I should work out in ANY weather and
they thought we were very unprofessional. I commented that it was a H&S
matter as the equipment was 3 phase 415v and potentially dangerous to both
us and her equipment.I also asked if she was prepared to over her desk
outside during this time?
We never heard from them again...
Cheers
Richard- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

[Bob_Loblaw]

Post by Telehow
I must say - this is one of the best, most exciting, active usenet
boards I have ever participated in. You guys are great.

You're just saying that because it's true...
BTW, regardless of what the others may say, I'm the founder, owner, and
president of this group...

[.***@see_my_sig_for_address.com]

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:10:58 GMT, "Bob_Loblaw"

Post by Bob_Loblaw

Post by Telehow
I must say - this is one of the best, most exciting, active usenet
boards I have ever participated in. You guys are great.

You're just saying that because it's true...
BTW, regardless of what the others may say, I'm the founder, owner, and
president of this group...

Only until next week's recall election, motherfucker.

[Bob_Loblaw]

Post by .***@see_my_sig_for_address.com
Only until next week's recall election, motherfucker.

Elections??
I'm a benevolent dictator... :-)

[Tekkie®]

Post by .***@see_my_sig_for_address.com
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:10:58 GMT, "Bob_Loblaw"

Post by Bob_Loblaw

Post by Telehow
I must say - this is one of the best, most exciting, active usenet
boards I have ever participated in. You guys are great.

You're just saying that because it's true...
BTW, regardless of what the others may say, I'm the founder, owner, and
president of this group...

Only until next week's recall election, motherfucker.

You mean COUP!

[ftwhd]

Post by Telehow
I must say - this is one of the best, most exciting, active usenet
boards I have ever participated in. You guys are great.

As EP said... thank you, thank you very much.

Post by Telehow

Post by r.bartlett

Post by ftwhd

Post by Telehow
I have 2 Trane units that are not working right. Called the local
Trane high end dealer about a week ago and made an appointment. I
work about an hour away from home so took the day off today to meet
them. Got a call from them this morning saying they could not come
today due to the cool/rainy conditions. Huh?! It has been 80 degrees
the last few days and did turn to drizzle and 40/50 degrees today
but...
Is it true you can't work on a heat pump when it is a little
rainy?!?!
Should I find another dealer?

We dont work in those conditions. Try a plumber.

We got a call from a health and safety consultants who wanted their a/c
serviced. It was booked in and a special access lifter was ordered. On the
morning it was raining heavily so I took the decision to cancel the lifter.
I phoned the company and was told that I should work out in ANY weather and
they thought we were very unprofessional. I commented that it was a H&S
matter as the equipment was 3 phase 415v and potentially dangerous to both
us and her equipment.I also asked if she was prepared to over her desk
outside during this time?
We never heard from them again...
Cheers
Richard- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

[Stormin Mormon]

Over her desk? Do you, perhaps, mean "move" her desk?
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

"r.bartlett" <***@spam.virgin.net> wrote in message news:qiPKh.9854$***@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
:
:
: We got a call from a health and safety consultants who wanted
their a/c
: serviced. It was booked in and a special access lifter was
ordered. On the
: morning it was raining heavily so I took the decision to cancel
the lifter.
: I phoned the company and was told that I should work out in
ANY weather and
: they thought we were very unprofessional. I commented that it
was a H&S
: matter as the equipment was 3 phase 415v and potentially
dangerous to both
: us and her equipment.I also asked if she was prepared to over
her desk
: outside during this time?
:
: We never heard from them again...
:
: Cheers
:
: Richard
:
:

[Bennett Price]

I think they get an atta-boy for calling you to let you know the
appointment was being cancelled.

Post by Telehow
I have 2 Trane units that are not working right. Called the local
Trane high end dealer about a week ago and made an appointment. I
work about an hour away from home so took the day off today to meet
them. Got a call from them this morning saying they could not come
today due to the cool/rainy conditions. Huh?! It has been 80 degrees
the last few days and did turn to drizzle and 40/50 degrees today
but...
Is it true you can't work on a heat pump when it is a little
rainy?!?!
Should I find another dealer?

[Bud]

Here in the PNW if you don't work in the rain then you don't work.
Just make a temporary canopy over the outdoor equipment. The phone
company guys do it all the time.

The guys that I admire are the roofers. They don't stop in any
weather. I see them prancing around in the rain on 45 degree 3 story
roofs like it's no big deal. They often don't even have safety
harnesses. Nothing seems to stop these guys.

[k***@ usenet.com]

Post by Bud
Here in the PNW if you don't work in the rain then you don't work.
Just make a temporary canopy over the outdoor equipment. The phone
company guys do it all the time.
The guys that I admire are the roofers. They don't stop in any
weather. I see them prancing around in the rain on 45 degree 3 story
roofs like it's no big deal. They often don't even have safety
harnesses. Nothing seems to stop these guys.

Are you aware that you're NOT supposed to lay shingles in the rain?????????

The underlayment is SUPPOSED to be dry!!!!!!!!

[Mo Hoaner]

Post by k***@ usenet.com

Post by Bud
Here in the PNW if you don't work in the rain then you don't work.
Just make a temporary canopy over the outdoor equipment. The phone
company guys do it all the time.

Uh.... A couple of major differences:

In the case of the electronic equipment in the environmental enclosures, the
airflow is minimal, and changing or killing the airflow to prevent blowing
away the canopy while the enclosure is open doesn't prevent the completion
of the work.

Generally, the really hot shit - 120-240 volts - is pretty well out of reach
of groping wet hands. There are points that you can touch in either the
environmental enclosures, or the more common cross-connect cases that have
voltages in the range of 48 to 190 volts DC, and also 90 volts AC at 20 hz,
but the higher voltages are at really low current - span power (the 190 volt
DC variety) will knock you on your ass, but it's limited to somewhere around
30 ma, so while it has the potential to stop your heart if you hold on to it
long enough, there's not enough current available to lock your muscles. You
WILL move if you touch it.

Post by k***@ usenet.com

Post by Bud
The guys that I admire are the roofers. They don't stop in any
weather. I see them prancing around in the rain on 45 degree 3 story
roofs like it's no big deal. They often don't even have safety
harnesses. Nothing seems to stop these guys.

Are you aware that you're NOT supposed to lay shingles in the
rain?????????
The underlayment is SUPPOSED to be dry!!!!!!!!

In NC you have to say it like this:

Hey, está lloviendo y hay relámpago. Es usted enterado que le no suponen
poner ripias en el?????? de la lluvia El underlayment SE SUPONE para ser
seco!!!!!!!!

Otherwise you just get a blank stare. The "word" INS seems to be understood
pretty well without translation, though.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Post by k***@ usenet.com

Post by Bud
Here in the PNW if you don't work in the rain then you don't work.
Just make a temporary canopy over the outdoor equipment. The phone
company guys do it all the time.
The guys that I admire are the roofers. They don't stop in any
weather. I see them prancing around in the rain on 45 degree 3 story
roofs like it's no big deal. They often don't even have safety
harnesses. Nothing seems to stop these guys.

Are you aware that you're NOT supposed to lay shingles in the

rain?????????

Post by k***@ usenet.com
The underlayment is SUPPOSED to be dry!!!!!!!!

Aww...tar paper will dry out sooner nough--bigges issue is you want for the
tabs to warm up good and seal down before any windstorms happen to come
up....otherwise, the exposed portions will break off and fly away....

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[John A]

replying to Telehow, John A wrote:




during rainey peroids dont work on AC sysytems . Mositure in system oil can
not be removeed . It will cause compresor to lock up soner or later. AC system
will never cool right . The hoter the weather the worser it will cool. I learn
the hard way.

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