tappan heater wont heat - just sits there with steady red light

Post by d***@gmail.com
I have a nine year old horizontal tappan gas furnace with electronic
ignition. I have two main issues. Bear in mind i replaced the
thermostat last year and the flame sensor.
Issue #1 The furnace won't ignite. The main blower runs (and is
problem #2 as it won't shut off) There is a steady red light on the
control board but the yellow light doesn't ever flicker. I don't hear
the other blower evaculate any gases and the igniter doesnt glow.
There is no gas odor. I have turned on and off the main power to the
furnace and nothing. I replaced the batteries in the thermostat and i
do have gas supplied as my gas water heater works fine.
Is it possible that a broken ignitor is the issue? If the igniter
doesn't work, would the system act the way its acting now? I cleared
out any cob or spider webs from the plenum and other orifices.
Issue #2 The main blower won't shut off. I have banged on the fan
limit switch housing to no avail.
Any guidance would be helpful.
THanks
Dave Rimmer
Independence Missouri

REplace the thermostat again.

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Noon-Air

2007-11-04 21:06:43 UTC

Its shut down on a safety!!!! Quit screwing it, and call your fav local,
competent, licensed, insured, professionally trained, HVAC tech.
Banging on *ANYTHING* that doesn't work isn't the answer.

ftwhd

2007-11-04 21:11:45 UTC

Its shut down on a safety!!!! Quit screwing it, and call your fav local,
competent, licensed, insured, professionally trained, HVAC tech.
Banging on *ANYTHING* that doesn't work isn't the answer.

I dont know, I banged a girl friend that would work and it fixed her
problem...

Don Ocean

2007-11-05 03:21:12 UTC

Post by ftwhd

Its shut down on a safety!!!! Quit screwing it, and call your fav local,
competent, licensed, insured, professionally trained, HVAC tech.
Banging on *ANYTHING* that doesn't work isn't the answer.

I dont know, I banged a girl friend that would work and it fixed her
problem...

Mike..Does that mean you now have the problem? ;-p Its called the
Sailors curse!

Bubba

2007-11-04 21:50:18 UTC

You need to replace the thermostat and flame sensor again.
To stop the blower you need to use a 20oz hammer. Dont use one any
bigger. Hammer on the fan/limit switch lightly and keep doing it
gradually harder until the blower stops.
Bubba

Joseph

2007-11-05 00:15:36 UTC

Well, ya go straight to the back of the room turn left and keep going until you
get to the ladder. Then climb the ladder and crawl out the open skylight. After
you're out be sure to close it good and put the "Homeowner's KEEP OUT!" sign back
up... :)

Post by d***@gmail.com
THanks
Dave Rimmer
Independence Missouri

oafum

2007-11-05 07:17:50 UTC

Bubba: So the fact that there is absolutely no activity from the
furnace when i turn on the thermostat could mean that its either the
thermostat or the flame sensor? Not the ignitor?

Bubba

2007-11-05 12:25:39 UTC

Bubba: So the fact that there is absolutely no activity from the
furnace when i turn on the thermostat could mean that its either the
thermostat or the flame sensor? Not the ignitor?

Datz what I said. Then, if that doesnt work, replace the circuit
board.
Bubba

unknown

2007-11-05 03:07:51 UTC

You haven't banged on it hard enough or with a big enough hammer. You
need to really whack the shit out of it. Better yet, give the hammer
to your wife and have her whack the shit out of you for endangering
your families' life. Moron.

oafum

2007-11-05 07:19:24 UTC

Ok i am a moron - i am also a moron who just got laid off and have no
money to pay for a pro. Either i get this furnace going on my own or i
have to use the oven to heat my home through the winter or until i
find work.

Bubba

2007-11-05 12:27:14 UTC

Ok, you're a moron who's laid off with no money.
I hope your wife enjoys baking.
Bubba

Bob Pietrangelo

2007-11-05 18:31:43 UTC

your local gas company should have programs for those that are hard on cash
(broke) to get your furnace operating. You have not given us near enough
info to fix your furnace. Try the gas company B4 you come back an ask a
bunch of idiots you don't know what to do. Aren't your lips hurting from
the hooks letting you in and out yet
--
Bob Pietrangelo
***@comcast.net (home)
***@comfort-solution.biz (work)
www.comfort-solution.biz

ftwhd

2007-11-05 22:21:06 UTC

See.. If you wernt a moron you would be able to find work because you
would have a skill.

Don Ocean

2007-11-06 01:42:11 UTC

Perhaps you should apply for a job/training in the HVAC field.
We are really busy and shorthanded repairing messes that someone else
made in their own homes. That Furnace in your home is a bomb waiting for
the right trigger. Your family will be the victims. Just because your
out of work is no damned excuse to endanger yourself, family and
neighbors. Call the state for Heat and repair assistance.. or walk the
streets for aluminum cans. Hold up a liquor store, its much safer then
what you contemplate. Maybe you could trade your computer off for the
needed repairs.

w***@bluebottle.com

2007-11-06 10:00:54 UTC

Maybe you'll be in the kitchen with your head in the oven..

oafum

2007-11-29 23:38:23 UTC

I have a nine year old horizontaltappangasfurnacewith electronic
ignition. I have two main issues. Bear in mind i replaced the
thermostat last year and the flame sensor.
Issue #1 Thefurnacewon't ignite. The main blower runs (and is
problem #2 as it won't shut off) There is a steady red light on the
control board but the yellow light doesn't ever flicker. I don't hear
the other blower evaculate any gases and the igniter doesnt glow.
There is no gas odor. I have turned on and off the main power to the
furnaceand nothing. I replaced the batteries in the thermostat and i
do have gas supplied as my gas water heater works fine.
Is it possible that a broken ignitor is the issue? If the igniter
doesn't work, would the system act the way its acting now? I cleared
out any cob or spider webs from the plenum and other orifices.
Issue #2 The main blower won't shut off. I have banged on the fan
limit switch housing to no avail.
Any guidance would be helpful.
THanks
Dave Rimmer
Independence Missouri

Ok i am a moron - i am also a moron who just got laid off and have no
money to pay for a pro. Either i get thisfurnacegoing on my own or i
have to use the oven to heat my home through the winter or until i
find work.

Perhaps you should apply for a job/training in the HVAC field.
We are really busy and shorthanded repairing messes that someone else
made in their own homes. ThatFurnacein your home is a bomb waiting for
the right trigger. Your family will be the victims. Just because your
out of work is no damned excuse to endanger yourself, family and
neighbors. Call the state for Heat and repair assistance.. or walk the
streets for aluminum cans. Hold up a liquor store, its much safer then
what you contemplate. Maybe you could trade your computer off for the
needed repairs.
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It seems to me that all you guys who say it's too dangerous to work on
your own furnace have a pretty serious problem. You think what you do
is rocket science. Use the scare tactics if you need to get business
that way. I don't believe you. And no one with half a brain should
either. What i have seen is pretty straight forward modular systems
that DON"T need a self-important HVAC man to deal with. I won't touch
the gas valve because that does scare me. But all the other systems?
Any half-as sed do it yourselfer can tackle much of this. I should
rob a liquor store to pay for heat for my family? I think not. What
i do think is theft is the amount HVAC people charge for their so
called service calls. I replaced most of the safety switchs and
ultimately the control board for a total of $170.00 bucks. The tech
who ultimately fixed my mother's furnace, including FINALLY replacing
the control board (which turned out NOT to be the problem) made 4
service calls and and charged her $400 bucks. I went and ONLY changed
the hi-limit switch and scraped down the flame sensor and she has heat
- after changing back to the original control board.

Go sell you bomb rhetoric to some other "mark".

Dave Rimmer
Missouri

Joseph

2007-11-30 00:58:12 UTC

I have a nine year old horizontaltappangasfurnacewith electronic
ignition. I have two main issues. Bear in mind i replaced the
thermostat last year and the flame sensor.
Issue #1 Thefurnacewon't ignite. The main blower runs (and is
problem #2 as it won't shut off) There is a steady red light on the
control board but the yellow light doesn't ever flicker. I don't hear
the other blower evaculate any gases and the igniter doesnt glow.
There is no gas odor. I have turned on and off the main power to the
furnaceand nothing. I replaced the batteries in the thermostat and i
do have gas supplied as my gas water heater works fine.
Is it possible that a broken ignitor is the issue? If the igniter
doesn't work, would the system act the way its acting now? I cleared
out any cob or spider webs from the plenum and other orifices.
Issue #2 The main blower won't shut off. I have banged on the fan
limit switch housing to no avail.
Any guidance would be helpful.
THanks
Dave Rimmer
Independence Missouri

Ok i am a moron - i am also a moron who just got laid off and have no
money to pay for a pro. Either i get thisfurnacegoing on my own or i
have to use the oven to heat my home through the winter or until i
find work.

Perhaps you should apply for a job/training in the HVAC field.
We are really busy and shorthanded repairing messes that someone else
made in their own homes. ThatFurnacein your home is a bomb waiting for
the right trigger. Your family will be the victims. Just because your
out of work is no damned excuse to endanger yourself, family and
neighbors. Call the state for Heat and repair assistance.. or walk the
streets for aluminum cans. Hold up a liquor store, its much safer then
what you contemplate. Maybe you could trade your computer off for the
needed repairs.
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It seems to me that all you guys who say it's too dangerous to work on
your own furnace have a pretty serious problem. You think what you do
is rocket science. Use the scare tactics if you need to get business
that way. I don't believe you. And no one with half a brain should
either. What i have seen is pretty straight forward modular systems
that DON"T need a self-important HVAC man to deal with. I won't touch
the gas valve because that does scare me. But all the other systems?
Any half-as sed do it yourselfer can tackle much of this. I should
rob a liquor store to pay for heat for my family? I think not. What
i do think is theft is the amount HVAC people charge for their so
called service calls. I replaced most of the safety switchs and
ultimately the control board for a total of $170.00 bucks. The tech
who ultimately fixed my mother's furnace, including FINALLY replacing
the control board (which turned out NOT to be the problem) made 4
service calls and and charged her $400 bucks. I went and ONLY changed
the hi-limit switch and scraped down the flame sensor and she has heat
- after changing back to the original control board.
Go sell you bomb rhetoric to some other "mark".
Dave Rimmer
Missouri

dave doesn't know it's not bacon...

Don Ocean

2007-11-30 01:19:29 UTC

I have a nine year old horizontaltappangasfurnacewith electronic
ignition. I have two main issues. Bear in mind i replaced the
thermostat last year and the flame sensor.
Issue #1 Thefurnacewon't ignite. The main blower runs (and is
problem #2 as it won't shut off) There is a steady red light on the
control board but the yellow light doesn't ever flicker. I don't hear
the other blower evaculate any gases and the igniter doesnt glow.
There is no gas odor. I have turned on and off the main power to the
furnaceand nothing. I replaced the batteries in the thermostat and i
do have gas supplied as my gas water heater works fine.
Is it possible that a broken ignitor is the issue? If the igniter
doesn't work, would the system act the way its acting now? I cleared
out any cob or spider webs from the plenum and other orifices.
Issue #2 The main blower won't shut off. I have banged on the fan
limit switch housing to no avail.
Any guidance would be helpful.
THanks
Dave Rimmer
Independence Missouri

Ok i am a moron - i am also a moron who just got laid off and have no
money to pay for a pro. Either i get thisfurnacegoing on my own or i
have to use the oven to heat my home through the winter or until i
find work.

Perhaps you should apply for a job/training in the HVAC field.
We are really busy and shorthanded repairing messes that someone else
made in their own homes. ThatFurnacein your home is a bomb waiting for
the right trigger. Your family will be the victims. Just because your
out of work is no damned excuse to endanger yourself, family and
neighbors. Call the state for Heat and repair assistance.. or walk the
streets for aluminum cans. Hold up a liquor store, its much safer then
what you contemplate. Maybe you could trade your computer off for the
needed repairs.
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It seems to me that all you guys who say it's too dangerous to work on
your own furnace have a pretty serious problem. You think what you do
is rocket science.

In some cases it it is.. i did some work years back on the HVAC system
on Apollo. ;-p You screw up on that Gas furnace and you just may travel
even further then Apollo did.

Use the scare tactics if you need to get business

Post by oafum
that way. I don't believe you.

I do hope you leave behind a gorgeous widow for us to console after your
passing.

And no one with half a brain should

Post by oafum
either. What i have seen is pretty straight forward modular systems
that DON"T need a self-important HVAC man to deal with. I won't touch
the gas valve because that does scare me. But all the other systems?
Any half-as sed do it yourselfer can tackle much of this. I should
rob a liquor store to pay for heat for my family? I think not.

So on top of being a know it all.. your lazy Too?

What

Post by oafum
i do think is theft is the amount HVAC people charge for their so
called service calls. I replaced most of the safety switchs and
ultimately the control board for a total of $170.00 bucks.

I am amazed that you could buy them.. Our state enforces sales only to
folks that have passed the state exam and have a valid license, Bond and
large mandatory liability insurance policy. Kind of makes sense when
you note that modern equiptment is quite complex. Some of the newer
stuff is incorporated into the smart homes systems and can be accessed
from anywhere in the world by laptop internet etc. Also we are not
allowed to kludge a job or to use used parts. I would not only pay
through the nose for a fucked job..But I would feel bad about anyone
getting hurt or killed. Thankfully I don't know the family you are
putting at risk.

The tech

Post by oafum
who ultimately fixed my mother's furnace, including FINALLY replacing
the control board (which turned out NOT to be the problem) made 4
service calls and and charged her $400 bucks.

Apparently you either are misinformed or you managed to get the worst of
the worst. Cheap chiselers tend to draw more of their kind..So it is
reasonable to assume that that is what happened.

I went and ONLY changed

Post by oafum
the hi-limit switch and scraped down the flame sensor and she has heat
- after changing back to the original control board.

What is that strange ticking sound????? ;-(

Might I inquire as to why you are answering a post that is almost a
month old? Does this mean that you took a month to figure out how to
chisel a cheap repair? ;-p

Steve.. Is this fellow one of your reject customers.. ? ;-)

Post by oafum
Go sell you bomb rhetoric to some other "mark".

Perhaps you would like a list of HVAC technicians that have either been
hurt or killed working on such equipment. Better yet..Take a look at how
many families have had terrible consequences from the explosion or fire
from their mal operating furnace. My Liability insurance just on the
technicians is staggering. Actually I make less per job now then I did
10 years ago, due to all of the necessary added costs of insurance,
Annual mandatory education upgrades etc. Like I said.. If you such a
genius.. We can use you in the Industry. The pay is good, but it
requires 24 hour a day calls and 365 days a year service. And that means
when its is hotter then Hell and when the Snow is up to your shoulders
and the #@@!! van is stuck or won't start because it is -26ºF and Granny
Smith is freezing in her home 18 miles out on a country road. And we
won't hear you whining that your unemployed...Ever! We don't need your
business because we want some tome to go fishing once in a while. And
its nice for someone to reintroduce you to the little lady from time to
time.

Post by oafum
Dave Rimmer
Missouri

Bubba

2007-11-30 01:39:43 UTC

I have a nine year old horizontaltappangasfurnacewith electronic
ignition. I have two main issues. Bear in mind i replaced the
thermostat last year and the flame sensor.
Issue #1 Thefurnacewon't ignite. The main blower runs (and is
problem #2 as it won't shut off) There is a steady red light on the
control board but the yellow light doesn't ever flicker. I don't hear
the other blower evaculate any gases and the igniter doesnt glow.
There is no gas odor. I have turned on and off the main power to the
furnaceand nothing. I replaced the batteries in the thermostat and i
do have gas supplied as my gas water heater works fine.
Is it possible that a broken ignitor is the issue? If the igniter
doesn't work, would the system act the way its acting now? I cleared
out any cob or spider webs from the plenum and other orifices.
Issue #2 The main blower won't shut off. I have banged on the fan
limit switch housing to no avail.
Any guidance would be helpful.
THanks
Dave Rimmer
Independence Missouri

Ok i am a moron - i am also a moron who just got laid off and have no
money to pay for a pro. Either i get thisfurnacegoing on my own or i
have to use the oven to heat my home through the winter or until i
find work.

Perhaps you should apply for a job/training in the HVAC field.
We are really busy and shorthanded repairing messes that someone else
made in their own homes. ThatFurnacein your home is a bomb waiting for
the right trigger. Your family will be the victims. Just because your
out of work is no damned excuse to endanger yourself, family and
neighbors. Call the state for Heat and repair assistance.. or walk the
streets for aluminum cans. Hold up a liquor store, its much safer then
what you contemplate. Maybe you could trade your computer off for the
needed repairs.
- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It seems to me that all you guys who say it's too dangerous to work on
your own furnace have a pretty serious problem. You think what you do
is rocket science. Use the scare tactics if you need to get business
that way. I don't believe you. And no one with half a brain should
either. What i have seen is pretty straight forward modular systems
that DON"T need a self-important HVAC man to deal with. I won't touch
the gas valve because that does scare me. But all the other systems?
Any half-as sed do it yourselfer can tackle much of this. I should
rob a liquor store to pay for heat for my family? I think not. What
i do think is theft is the amount HVAC people charge for their so
called service calls. I replaced most of the safety switchs and
ultimately the control board for a total of $170.00 bucks. The tech
who ultimately fixed my mother's furnace, including FINALLY replacing
the control board (which turned out NOT to be the problem) made 4
service calls and and charged her $400 bucks. I went and ONLY changed
the hi-limit switch and scraped down the flame sensor and she has heat
- after changing back to the original control board.
Go sell you bomb rhetoric to some other "mark".
Dave Rimmer
Missouri

Dave,
We dont care what you think or do. I also think you are a gutless
chicken shit. Letting someone charge your mother $400 and not fixing
it right and you wont even get her money back. No wonder you dont have
a job. You sound like a useless pile of dung.
Bubba

oafum

2007-11-30 04:36:07 UTC

strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

oafum

2007-11-30 04:55:24 UTC

Post by oafum
strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

After cooling down i realize i need to re-state what i said earlier.
I was inflamed by Ocean's unneeded remarks earlier. I am in crisis
and while some of you guys helped any you could, others were outright
insulting. And that was also unneeded. Especially Ocean's coments.

Perhaps as a group you all are relatively honest. I wouldn't know as
i never met a HVAC tech, used car salesman who hasn't tried to rip me
off. Even auto mechanics rate on the whole above either group.

I do think you all protect your profession by overstating the
dangers. This is NOT the apollo program - just a residential furnace
with a fairly simplitic layout. I wasn't screwing with the gas valve
or flow's - i simply changed out the components. And i have heat. No
one has died yet and i suspect that no one will - no matter how dire
the warnings of you HVAC people. And although you may have been
"trained" and certified etc .etc. how many of you actually graduated
high school? Just how difficult can it be to replace most ofthe
components? Not hard at all as it turned out.

In any even this is my last post in this forum. For those who tried to
help, thank you. For those like Ocean and Bubba, go to hell.

Dave

Don Ocean

2007-11-30 06:20:53 UTC

Post by oafum
In any even this is my last post in this forum. For those who tried to
help, thank you. For those like Ocean and Bubba, go to hell.
Dave

I have to decline your kind offer to visit your home as I have prior
engagements. My company services the Grandchildren etc of our original
customers. Obviously you don't appreciate our industry..So your welcome
to your own devices. Do you also beat up on your wife and children?
It might be a good idea for you to seek help with those anger issues.

oafum

2007-11-30 07:52:45 UTC

Post by Don Ocean

Post by oafum
In any even this is my last post in this forum. For those who tried to
help, thank you. For those like Ocean and Bubba, go to hell.
Dave

sigh, and i promised that would be my last post....

Ocean

Never asked for you to visit my home - nor would I. I should ask you
a question though. Are you the same Ocean who is a child molester
currently on trial? I'll deal with my anger issues just fine. You
though, should stop diddling little children.

Rimmer

Don Ocean

2007-11-30 20:43:33 UTC

Post by Don Ocean

Post by oafum
In any even this is my last post in this forum. For those who tried to
help, thank you. For those like Ocean and Bubba, go to hell.
Dave

sigh, and i promised that would be my last post....
Ocean
Never asked for you to visit my home - nor would I. I should ask you
a question though. Are you the same Ocean who is a child molester
currently on trial? I'll deal with my anger issues just fine. You
though, should stop diddling little children.
Rimmer

Don Ocean

2007-11-30 20:50:45 UTC

Post by Don Ocean

Post by oafum
In any even this is my last post in this forum. For those who tried to
help, thank you. For those like Ocean and Bubba, go to hell.
Dave

sigh, and i promised that would be my last post....
Ocean
Never asked for you to visit my home - nor would I. I should ask you
a question though. Are you the same Ocean who is a child molester
currently on trial? I'll deal with my anger issues just fine. You
though, should stop diddling little children.
Rimmer

1. The implication is that Hell is your home
2. I did not fuck your Mother even if she is childish and besides that I
wore a rubber.
3. Why are you listed on the board of directors of *NAMBLA*?
4. I take it your Prozac prescription has run out?
5. On diddling little children ..Absolutely not. I am not your
competition. I do understand Missouri castrates their molesters
I assume that is why you talk like a girl.. ;-p
6. By now.. Have a nice day.. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Stormin Mormon

2007-11-30 12:41:06 UTC

Ocean, Bubba: I'll be in Hell with you, I guess.

Incidentally, I have a college degree, a liberal arts AAS degree. In a
totally unrelated field. But, life is like that.

"I simply changed out the components". Hey, that's catchy. He's a parts
changer! Don't we all sing about those around the campfire?
--
Christopher A. Young;
.
.

"oafum" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1fd6d796-fe08-49d4-a41d-***@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

After cooling down i realize i need to re-state what i said earlier.
I was inflamed by Ocean's unneeded remarks earlier. I am in crisis
and while some of you guys helped any you could, others were outright
insulting. And that was also unneeded. Especially Ocean's coments.

Perhaps as a group you all are relatively honest. I wouldn't know as
i never met a HVAC tech, used car salesman who hasn't tried to rip me
off. Even auto mechanics rate on the whole above either group.

I do think you all protect your profession by overstating the
dangers. This is NOT the apollo program - just a residential furnace
with a fairly simplitic layout. I wasn't screwing with the gas valve
or flow's - i simply changed out the components. And i have heat. No
one has died yet and i suspect that no one will - no matter how dire
the warnings of you HVAC people. And although you may have been
"trained" and certified etc .etc. how many of you actually graduated
high school? Just how difficult can it be to replace most ofthe
components? Not hard at all as it turned out.

In any even this is my last post in this forum. For those who tried to
help, thank you. For those like Ocean and Bubba, go to hell.

Dave

Bubba

2007-11-30 13:42:34 UTC

Post by oafum
strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

After cooling down i realize i need to re-state what i said earlier.
I was inflamed by Ocean's unneeded remarks earlier. I am in crisis
and while some of you guys helped any you could, others were outright
insulting. And that was also unneeded. Especially Ocean's coments.
Perhaps as a group you all are relatively honest. I wouldn't know as
i never met a HVAC tech, used car salesman who hasn't tried to rip me
off. Even auto mechanics rate on the whole above either group.
I do think you all protect your profession by overstating the
dangers. This is NOT the apollo program - just a residential furnace
with a fairly simplitic layout. I wasn't screwing with the gas valve
or flow's - i simply changed out the components. And i have heat. No
one has died yet and i suspect that no one will - no matter how dire
the warnings of you HVAC people. And although you may have been
"trained" and certified etc .etc. how many of you actually graduated
high school? Just how difficult can it be to replace most ofthe
components? Not hard at all as it turned out.
In any even this is my last post in this forum. For those who tried to
help, thank you. For those like Ocean and Bubba, go to hell.
Dave

Back at cha, asshole.
Bubba

Noon-Air

2007-11-30 14:45:49 UTC

Post by oafum
strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

Actually Don's comments are dead on.(No Don, he's not one of mine...he's in
MO, not MS)

Post by oafum
Perhaps as a group you all are relatively honest. I wouldn't know as
i never met a HVAC tech, used car salesman who hasn't tried to rip me
off. Even auto mechanics rate on the whole above either group.

I never met a programmer that didn't cause more problems than he fixed.

Post by oafum
I do think you all protect your profession by overstating the
dangers.

Check your local news and national news for house explosions and gas
explosions, then *read* what the causes were. There is a reason why it is
illegal in a lot of states for homeowners to do their own heating and
cooling replacements and repairs.

Post by oafum
This is NOT the apollo program - just a residential furnace
with a fairly simplitic layout. I wasn't screwing with the gas valve
or flow's - i simply changed out the components. And i have heat.

You may have cured a symptom, but the cause is still there.

Post by oafum
No one has died yet and i suspect that no one will - no matter how dire
the warnings of you HVAC people.

See above

Post by oafum
And although you may have been
"trained" and certified etc .etc. how many of you actually graduated
high school? Just how difficult can it be to replace most ofthe
components? Not hard at all as it turned out.

Trained?? yes, Educated?? yes, Continuing education?? all the time,
continuing training?? all the time. FYI, the new furnaces, air conditioners
and heat pumps have mother boards and daughter boards in them. The
manufacturers won't even let us as Master HVAC techs buy one for personal
use unless we have had the training on them. The new comfort systems also
require us to be part electronics tech along with all of the other facets of
earning a Master HVAC Tech certificate. The new controls packages have more
computing power than what was used to put men on the moon. You might want to
re-think, and adjust your attitude, because its not Gramps air conditioner
or furnace anymore.

Post by oafum
In any even this is my last post in this forum. For those who tried to
help, thank you. For those like Ocean and Bubba, go to hell.

I'm sorry your offended at being told the truth. Get over it... technology
changes. When that 30 year old furnace was installed, gasoline was
$0.50/gal, and your could buy a new car for $3,000, and your could work on
those cars without a computer.

Post by oafum
Dave

.***@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2007-11-30 15:01:23 UTC

Post by oafum
strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

Actually Don's comments are dead on.(No Don, he's not one of mine...he's in
MO, not MS)

I never met a programmer that didn't cause more problems than he fixed.

Hey now ! :-(

Noon-Air

2007-11-30 15:23:10 UTC

Post by .***@see_my_sig_for_address.com

Post by oafum
strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

Actually Don's comments are dead on.(No Don, he's not one of mine...he's in
MO, not MS)

I never met a programmer that didn't cause more problems than he fixed.

Hey now ! :-(

Sorry Paul, my bad. :-)

Don Ocean

2007-11-30 20:54:36 UTC

Post by .***@see_my_sig_for_address.com

Post by oafum
strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

Actually Don's comments are dead on.(No Don, he's not one of mine...he's in
MO, not MS)

I never met a programmer that didn't cause more problems than he fixed.

Hey now ! :-(

See ;-)

ftwhd

2007-11-30 21:32:06 UTC

Post by oafum
strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

Actually Don's comments are dead on.(No Don, he's not one of mine...he's in
MO, not MS)

I never met a programmer that didn't cause more problems than he fixed.

Post by oafum
I do think you all protect your profession by overstating the
dangers.

You see the house that blew up in my area because some "this aint
rocket science" homoaner tried to light the pilot on his water heater.
KA BOOM! house completely leveled. These DIY assholes that come in
here and whine just are not smart enough to know how dangerous it can
be.

Don Ocean

2007-11-30 06:15:38 UTC

Post by oafum
strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

Sounds like an admission that you are on the bottom.. ;-p

Stormin Mormon

2007-11-30 13:02:35 UTC

The "in your eye, you hacks" has publically admitted that he's a parts
changer, not a tech. OK, so the furnace is running. But for how long, until
something goes more wrong? After all, he didn't fix the cause, he just
treated the symptom by changing out the safety switches.
--
Christopher A. Young;
.
.

Post by oafum
strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

Sounds like an admission that you are on the bottom.. ;-p

Bubba

2007-11-30 13:41:54 UTC

Post by oafum
strong words bubba for a man who trades on the miseries of others and
cheats them out of their hard won money. You guys are just bottom
feeding hacks

Perhaps you need to stop doing everything the cheapass way and
actually pay a professional to have your system checked out properly.
In the long run its not that expensive and may actually save you
money. Problem is you dont look for a professional in the yellow pages
at the biggest ad or at the neighborhood bar. Sometimes you actualy
need to do a small amount of research.
Bubba

HVAC Guy

2007-11-30 02:14:01 UTC

How about trimming your post?

What i do think is theft is the amount HVAC people charge for
their so called service calls.
Go sell you bomb rhetoric to some other "mark".

Well bubba - whatcha think about that?

Time to get into the roofing business for you. At least roofers are
one step up the food chain from hvac installers - that's all you guys
are - installers - not repair men (you're not even men).

Don Ocean

2007-11-30 06:23:29 UTC

Post by HVAC Guy
How about trimming your post?

What i do think is theft is the amount HVAC people charge for
their so called service calls.
Go sell you bomb rhetoric to some other "mark".

Well bubba - whatcha think about that?
Time to get into the roofing business for you. At least roofers are
one step up the food chain from hvac installers - that's all you guys
are - installers - not repair men (you're not even men).

Heh! Heh! Thats a cute post from HVAC-Boi.. Now she can go back to
trolling mens restrooms. ;-p

Bubba

2007-11-30 13:43:56 UTC

Post by HVAC Guy
How about trimming your post?

What i do think is theft is the amount HVAC people charge for
their so called service calls.
Go sell you bomb rhetoric to some other "mark".

Well bubba - whatcha think about that?
Time to get into the roofing business for you. At least roofers are
one step up the food chain from hvac installers - that's all you guys
are - installers - not repair men (you're not even men).

Does your mommy know you're still playing on her computer?
All that porn is starting to eat away at your brain.
Bubba

Bill

2007-11-30 09:18:41 UTC

In article

Post by oafum
Go sell you bomb rhetoric to some other "mark".
Dave Rimmer
Missouri

http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?s=c399fa1bc5ad7e9c0a85be78ea
c931f5&t=323145

I liked where his cousin gave him shit for being a dumbass.

So Dave? Just why are you still here?

--
Ron Paul 2008 or more of the same old.

Stormin Mormon

2007-11-30 12:37:47 UTC